Well, patreons have no right to demand anything, they do have a right to be pissed off.
We would already have a strict legal contract in place, covering all eventualities (including failure to deliver). Now, if I was a Manufacturer/Hardware Vendor, and I PAID TS to do a specific video, and they failed to deliver? Well that's entirely different. What I CAN do, is learn from my lesson, and not donate again. I might hope he goes on to better his life, but if he goes off and buys some booze, well I can't stop that. Giving TS money through Patreon is no different then me giving a random dude at the bus stop a $20 bill.
No refund policy if content was not delivered, etc. You give them money IN THE HOPES that they make better content, and IN THE HOPES that they fulfill the "Rewards" they might list. Patreon is a DONATION, not a payment, nor is it a service subscription. Well, if your neighbor paid you to trim the hedge it makes sense for him to expect return on investment.Īnd seeing the quite exponentional difference between the cost of a hedge trim, and the cost of the services wendell was providing to teksyndicate (and being a 30% shareholder, which doesnt make you very happy if you arent told where money is going)īut people never paid TS for services rendered, nor did they sign any sort of ROI agreement. Who's the bigger fool, the fool who keeps asking for money but isn't organized enough to deliver, or the fool who keeps giving money knowing that they keep failing to deliver? I mean, jesus, it shouldn't have taken this meltdown for people to stop donating, if it was really that bad. If they're not up to the quality people demand, people should stop donating. My point is this: We, as non-TS employees/shareholders, should not get any access to their financial information or internal business operations. You're just throwing money down the toilet at that point.
If they then FAIL TO DELIVER FOR 2 FUCKING YEARS? I mean, c'mon. If you donate to someone who promises something, and fails to deliver, but you really like them? Sure cut them some slack, give them another chance. (and I'm sorry for doing this), I'm putting some of the blame on the Patreon backers themselves. I would say that if it's really been over 2 years since Patreon Rewards were established, and they still haven't delivered, then. But that doesn't mean there were any legal obligations there. I'm just shocked that they took their fans for granted and treated them like dirt. For the record I never donated to TS through Patreon. Wouldn't you say it's extremely disingenuous of them to set goals which were never realistic then? Two years went by and goals were missed over and over again. Qain is gone and I doubt he'll ever come back - especially if Logan told the truth about Qain not wanting to do his job, but wanting to be a partner and wanting to do things that Logan DIDN'T want him doing.Īs far as I know, there's been no further statements from anyone besides the "Clean Slate" blogpost that Logan made. I think that Wendell will either stay on as a reduced capacity "side" office, or will occasionally guest contribute content/guest star on videos. If the reason you donated to TS (eg: to get the rewards) isn't being fulfilled, you should immediately stop donating, and either leave them forever, or simply wait for them to get their act together and actually fulfill the rewards. Patreon is essentially a voluntary donation service. Many people - both here and on the TS forums, feel that the rewards from Patreon were some guaranteed thing. Patreon Rewards are GOALS, not Services that are guaranteed. Had TS delivered on their Patreon rewards I would agree that financials should be kept private, but this is now a situation where a service has been paid for and not delivered upon and the community is expected to trust the company again? Has there been any statement of what is happening at Tek Syndicate? I have seen the post in their forums where Logan is asking for a clean slate, but is that reasonable when there has been no transparency at all.
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